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[obliviousally_lj]

I'm really only posting this for, like, the first half of the conversation. The rest is mostly tl;dr.


Galay> I cant get preggers anyways
Galay> So it dont matter
Galay> I am a useless female
Erik_Tategami> Babs says you can have hers when it comes...
Erik_Tategami> ^^
Galay> Right...she would never give up her baby
Erik_Tategami> "Did not" HA!
Ally> Ew, babies.
Erik_Tategami> Ew
* Galay rolls her eyes
Galay> Thats because you all are so young
Erik_Tategami> Heheheh
Erik_Tategami> Heh
Erik_Tategami> Still
Erik_Tategami> I cant deal with them
Ally> Why in god's name are you a useless female if you can't have children?
* Errick gets confused yes
Galay> Because thats how I feel?
* Ally just bites her tongue.
Galay> Part of being a female is baring children and I cant do that
Galay> Thats is my feelings
Galay> You are of course intitled to your own
Errick> While you're entiled to your opinions, that's one I don't particularly agree with.
Galay> And you are free to not agree
Erik_Tategami> Is it because of something you explained to me before galay?
Galay> That doesnt make my feelings wrong
Galay> I dont ovulate
Erik_Tategami> Yes, now I remember
* Ally wishes she couldn't have children.
Ally> Would take alot of the hassle out of life.
Galay> I would gladly trade places
Errick> That sort of feeling is raw instinct, usually, anyway. Wanting to have children and feeling bad if you don't have children is a strong evolutionary response, as I see it. If we didn't inherently want babies in general, there'd have been less reproduction, thus the "doesn't want babies" trait doesn't get passed on
Galay> I have gone through thousands of dollars of fertility treatments and medications and none have worked
Ally> I would've said 'ah well, I'll adopt instead'.
Ally> Or is a child not acceptable if it's not your flesh and blood.
Galay> I want something that is a part of me
Errick> ADoption is a wonderful thing
Sevet> We need less people in the world anyways, too many of them....lets have a mass genocide and take out like 2 billion people. Maybe the economy will jump up. :D
JustLurk> I recommend cloning.
* Ally facepalms.
Galay> Plus....it costs thousands and thousands of dollars
Galay> to adopt
Ally> As opposed to the thousands you've put into fertility drugs?
Erik_Tategami> Galay, cant you get one of the eggs pulled out of your ovaries?
Galay> I dont have any eggs
Erik_Tategami> Hmm
* Gone has never felt a drive to reproduce and doesn't understand why others do.
Errick> Though this is completely irrelevant, I hate when my leg starts itching for no reason, and when scratching it doesn't relieve it, just makes it worse.
* Ally doesn't, either, Gone. D:
Yaoi_Vixen_Boi> ok nai nai furr realz nayow ^^
Galay> It has a lot to do with age
Galay> How old are you both?
darterWolf> niniYvb
Ally> 24.
Yaoi_Vixen_Boi> nini dW *snugs*
* darterWolf snugs too ^^
JustLurk> Personally, I'm amused. According to my last doc, 'You're too young to get a vasectomy, you might want kids someday.' I told him that I'd take that under advisement and make a note of it. Then inquired into the fine art of cauterization and if he had any advice on how to avoid post-operation infect. He kinda stared and asked me to leave.
Galay> Maybe when you are older you will think diffrently
Ally> Oh jesus christ.
Ally> I AM older. I have never wanted kids. EVER. My entire life.
Ally> It is not something I'm going to reconsider.
Galay> I didnt when I was your age either
Errick> You know what i'm finding odd? Well.. maybe not odd cause I see it all the time i nall sorts of things, but still a bit off to me
Ally> I would rather have cancer than children.
Errick> The people who have no desire to have babies can't grasp the concept of osmeone who does, and the people who have a desire for babies can't grasp the conccept of someone who doesn't.
Ally> I would rather throw myself down a flight of stairs to induce a miscarraige.
* Galay just blinks
JustLurk> ...jeeze, Ally. I've got a baseball bat in the closet, it'd be easier than finding stairs. We're on the ground floor, remember?
Galay> Ever thought about seeking mental help for that?
Ally> I can grasp the desire that somone wants to have children. I cannoth grasp the people who think that their lives are worthless as a female if they do not.
Galay> Thats a bit drastic
Ally> Nope. I'm in dandy mental condition.
Ally> JustLurk: I'd trek upstairs, just for the dramatic effect.
Ally> And that's how strongly I feel about not wanting children.
Errick> Ally: Okay, yeah, that's a n important distinction, come to think of it
JustLurk> Just remember that I'm not allowed to practice medicine in the state of Washington, so I'm not going to save you. :p
Ally> Most people SHOULDN'T have kids, anyhow.
Ally> JustLurk: I'll be fine! If that doesn't work, we'll try the bat.
JustLurk> Fine, fine. You have fun with that.
Galay> You wouldnt be here if someone didnt want to have kids
Errick> No one is worhtless for not having children. Besides, I don't want to possibly pass on my mental issues. Our family has a history of depression and suicide attempts and stuff on my mother's side.
Ally> Galay: I've heard that a thousand times.
Ally> If I was aborted, I wouldn't have cared because I'd be dead,.
JustLurk> Actually, I was unwanted and the first attempted abortion failed, but by then my granddad got involved and pretty much had my mom locked up.
Galay> And I am sure you will hear it a thousand more
JustLurk> Restrained to the bed, in fact.
Ally> I'm sure I will.
* Sideway has joined #seattlefurs
Errick> If I was healthy, then I might be more interested in reproducing, but I don't want to reproduce a person whose life is going to be misery cause their head's messed up.
Sideway> blarg.
Ally> Errick: See, that's common sense. And logic.
Ally> Which seem to be null and void anymore.
JustLurk> So, Galay, I'm here despite being unwanted and being born against the will of the family.
* Galay nods
JustLurk> Cue awkward silence...
* Gone just doesn't want to spend a life raising kids. would rather spend money and time and love on other things
Sideway> I'll probably get slammed for saying this, but family income doesn't seem to often be considered in the choice to have a child
Ally> Gone: Seriously.
Ally> Sideway: No, it doesn't.
Sideway> at least not among the lower class
Galay> What is there to say to that
Ally> Because 'welfare pays for it!'.
JustLurk> Sideway - Why should it be? You get EIC and tax benefits and free medical care, more welfare...
Gone> and there's already 6 billion people on a planet that can't really support more than 1 billion.
JustLurk> It's actually profitable to spawn kids, if you look at the tax and welfare laws.
Errick> True, Sideway. But that's another part of what I was saying earlier. A lot of it is instinct. In some people it's stronger than others, and as such for some the desire or even need to have children outweighs the logic of the situation the child would be brought into.
Galay> I think they should drug screen the people that are on welfare
Sideway> thats exactly my point. however, if you ever talk abotu scaling back those programs because peopel abuse them as such, you'er an evil heartless bastard
Gone> global warming is all about over population.
* JustLurk chuckles at Gone.
JustLurk> Earth first. We can strip-mine Mars later. :p
Sideway> gone: I couldn't agree more, I find it apualing that people consider cutting the quality of life and progress before the quantity of life
Ally> I tried to get on welfare once because I was poverty level. I was told, to my face, if I had a kid or was pregnant, they could help me. Otherwise, nothing.
* Galay has never been on welfare
JustLurk> The cure for overpopulation is the brutal rape of the solar system's resources. This solves many problems.
JustLurk> And if you use cheapest-bid equipment, you kill thousands to millions of people a year doing it, too!
Errick> That's the flaw of natural selection, as I see it. It doesn't select for intelligence, it only selects for ability to breed offspring that live long enough to breed in turn.
* Sevet has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
Sideway> well, that used to corolate to inteligence errick
* darterWolf sets mode: +vv kalo Sideway
Sideway> but in a society that HAS welfare, it doesnt
* darterWolf snugs bill
Errick> People who are smart enough not to breed unecessarily don't pass on those traits, while people who breed at all costs pass that trait on to their children, who in turn breed at all costs
Galay> I wouldnt have children if I was unable to care for them

Comments

[pocket-entropy.livejournal.com]

jesus..

I haven't been able to get pregnant and we're likely going the Clomid route. Do I feel frustrated? yes. Do I feel sad? yes. Do I feel useless? NO.

Furthermore, I would never belittle someone for NOT wanting kids. That's just stupid.

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

Okay, I've got to ask you, because I've wondered this for a long time: would you ever consider adopting? Is it that you don't want to go through the pains of labor/pregnancy/don't want to pass on possible problems you have, or that you absolutely refuse to ever have anything to do with children? I could understand not wanting to produce kids, but really, I think it's far more important to give homes to those kids who need them.

Either way, I just know it's damn selfish of that bitch to not want to adopt. WTF does it matter if it's "from her"? That's absolute bullshit. After a year or so, given the right child, you won't know the fucking difference, you stupid cunt. D:

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

I don't want children at all. There's many reasons behind this, on top of not wanting to pass on 'undesired traits'. I don't want the responsibility of raising one. I am not finanically stable enough, even if I would want a child (adoption or otherwise). I raised my sibilings, I count that as my 'parenting' for my life. But, I've ALWAYS said, should I ever want a child (and, at this point, it is a big NO) I would've adopted. The whole pregnancy thing squicks me out. I don't want a parasite freeloading in my body for nine months and then sucking the life out of me for the next eighteen (or longer!) years.

I really wish people would kick the whole 'it HAS to be mine!' and 'it has to be MY BLOOD' etc., etc. bullshit. There's no need for a child to be 'your blood' anymore. Bloodlines are null and void these days. Everyone's heritage is so diluted and spread out that it's pointless. To me, a child is a child is a child. There is no magical miracle to birthing a child. People and animals do it EVERY DAY. I'm pretty sure the requirements for 'miracle' are a little stricter.

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

I guess my concern would be with the 'not wanting responsibility' angle, but definitely being financially stable is a good reason to wait. c.c Personally, I hope never to make a child, if I can help it if I can help it. But I'll definitely adopt one, whether I'm single or married, so long as I've got a decent job and I'm prepared for the responsibility. I do know that, right now anyway, I'm too much of a kid to deal with trying to raise one.

I GIVE YOU HUG NOW *hugs*

[mitsene.livejournal.com]

Ally> I tried to get on welfare once because I was poverty level. I was told, to my face, if I had a kid or was pregnant, they could help me. Otherwise, nothing.

jesususss. why is the system so screwed up? i see *so* many people my age in the city here who are pregnant or have 2-4 year old children and it just.. irks me. and i seriously doubt that if they were from a higher income family they would have kids.

i do agree with your standpoint, though mine's a bit different. i have two brothers; the way i see it, one of them is bound to have kids. if i want my genetic material to be passed on, i don't have to do anything, because we have the same parents/same genetics/etc. i'd rather be an aunt than a mother.

[gman15975.livejournal.com]

Jesus...

People in the world I swear.

[trigem.livejournal.com]

I share the same sentiment as you.

Granted, I don't have the vagoo it'd come out of, but yeah. I don't want kids, because I'm not financially stable, I do not have the patience for a newborn, and I certainly would not WANT a child in this world. If, perhaps in my 40's when I hope to be stable, I might adopt, if I can find a nice girl to settle down with. Though, that's a reality that's not going to happen. 1 I only look within the furrydumb, because I do not like to co-mingle outside of it, because I do not like to have to explain myself to random people. 2 the common sense and facilities needed to raise a child simply are lacking in a great many people these days. 3 the world is simply too fucked up for me to considering having a spawnling.

Overall, like you said, it would probably come down to adoption. I could care less if the child is of my own genes. I myself am adopted, and frankly, overall I support adoption more then simply making squishy for a child, because we do not need moer people, as we don't know how to cope with the ones we have already.