Stuff and OKAY, WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[obliviousally_lj]

Tal, I'm sure you stop by my journal from time to time, it's not hard to find. I'm sure you're expecting some rant about the post on the NEO Furs forums. But that's not what this is about.

If you have an issue with me, bring it up to me. I have no desire to have things said about me behind my back and things said about me that aren't true. I do not want or need this drama involving us OR the forums.

::whimpers:: the way i've seen them talking and acting to others and the way i've heard of them acting...... I worry about you Susi... really do... hope you think twice before staying with the, this summer.

What does this mean? How have you heard of us acting? And talking? And Wolf's a big boy. He enjoys our company and us, his. He knows we're good people.

Y'know what, I'll say it right now: most furries piss me off. But I'm aware that there's alot of good people in the fandom. But I've also been in the fandom for ten years. You end up dealing with alot of stupid stuff in that time and you get pretty aggravted with it.

It's not gotten out of hand yet but there's a tiggy-sense in metingling just knowing it's going to start. Part of me feels theseforums were more than what I bargained for. shoulda thought twice aboutfurries and forums knowing how drahma always happens with them. But itwas a majority vote. Only the list mod doesn't like the idea... courseshe and her mate have just turned into total asses... still hurt by thethings they said... but they're no longer hanging out there. part of mejust wants to get rid of them...

It didn't get out of hand in the first place. There was a misunderstanding and then it was over and everyone was fine.

Yes, the forums were a majority vote, and I was fine with that. I was, honestly, indifferent about it. I simply felt that people wouldn't pay attention to the list if we had forums, or vice versa.

When was anything said to hurt your feelings? I can't recall any jabs being made at you.

I'm going to be a part of the forums AND the list, wether we get along or not. But the LEAST I ask is that we can learn to tolerate and respect each other so we don't have to drag this drama into the list and such. Are you at least big enough to do that? Because I am.

Comments

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

Honest to the gods above. I've NEVER looked at your journal before. EVER. The only reason that I'm here now is cause Susi mentioned you made a post about this when i was trying to talk to him about the problems i was having.

And seriously. I can learn to let it go. I'm upset over all of it... but the fact that you brought this, made it public after I asked you to leave me alone and just let it go... then you make this post? What am I supposed to think? How am I supposed to respect someone that doesn't respect my requests or who I am. I met a lot of awesome people yesterday, i've not heard anyone say anything bad towards me. Yet I hear now from 5-6 people about how jaded and bitter you are. I'd name names but i'd be bringing them into it when i don't think they need to be brought into it or want to be a part of the drama.

Seriously. I want it to be dropped. If you have a lick of respect for me. Just please delete this post and let me be. I'll do my job, and you can do yours.

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

You never asked me to leave you alone or to let it go. You deleted the post on the forums and you put me on ignore (and I TRIED contacting you there about the issue, so it could be resolved without dragging everything out into the open more than it is). I really don't think that's the most civil way to go about things.

You have posted about me in your journal (and it'd not hard to find out who the owner of the NEO Furs list is, honestly), I am free to post in my journal. And this was only posted here because I didn't want to invade your journal, or risk having replies deleted. I'd rather have this all out in the open.

I can imagine who's said I'm jaded and bitter. And, to be completely honest, I kinda am. I don't coddle stupidity from anyone, and I'm not particurarly fond of people with a lack of common sense. But, to be completely honest, I don't know more than two of the people that went to the meet yesterday. Anyone who's talking about me behind my back obviously has no basis on which to lay their claims.

If you didn't want all this to be hung out like dirty laundry, it would have been alot better if you'd PMed me about the post. You're the one who brought this up and struck at me first. I've never said anything bad about you, unless you can back that claim up.

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

I have PMEd you, you've ignored PMs and have harassed me through them. Do you forget? I've asked you throug PMs on the boards on to please leave me alone ant i just want to let it go. I've tried to remain civil and drop things, it's you that has not dropped things, you that seems to find other ways to contact me. I really don't like it. I try to keep things civil. Honest to go I have.

Again, I never named any names, There's only two Ohio furs on my list, well maybe three I can't remember. If they want to dig into what i say and find out who it is and outwardly bash you then someone really has too much time on my hands. Again. I'm not naming names like you have.

There was only two furs at the meet that even said anything on the bad side about you, and my undersantding is that they talked to you on AIM/IRC. I'll see if I can get the log from the person that said the things you said about me and Susi in the IRC channel. Susi was already requesting them for use anyways. he wants himself untangled from this mess as much as I do.

I'm sorry, I really am, but I'm just getting sick of people that I try to be friends with turning on me and lashing out. all I ever wanted was to be your friends. You and TJ both. I figured it'd be awesome to have other female furs to hang out with talk to and get to know, I thought that being ans you were friends with Susi that it'd be easier, it gave me more of a reason. But the way i've seen you handle things. I just don't know what else to say. I've tried what I can but it seems there's too many things that we disagree on. I mentioned someone that your argument against me was that you were open mined. Their exact reply was " Of course she is! As long as what you say fits her world view!" I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I'm reallydone with it, it's becoming more and more apparent that you'r just one that's more than willing to drag my name through the mud no matter what I say or do to show you my point of view. It's just becoming more and more apparent to me that you just won't understand.

Again, I'm sorry that it came to this, I didn't want it to. Me blocking you from contacting me and outright telling you that I don't want any drama and want it left alone before doing so, was my way of saying i wanted to drop it. So I did. I see you though, you're having a harder time dropping it than I am.

With the knowledge that I'm repeating myself, I again apologize for my actions, while I do admit many of them were wrong, I feel you need to realize where you were wrong as well.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

Woah, WOAH! Are you sure you aren't getting Ally mixed up with someone else? I, for one, her as well, would NEVER say anything bad about Susi. As for you, we don't even KNOW you and have no reason whatsoever to talk crap about someone we've never talked with!

I can swear on everything I own, my own soul, that I don't talk bad about people unless they give me a damn reason to. Susi is a -good- friend of mine and i'd rather play in traffic than say anything mean about him. EVER.

I can't speak for Ally, but maybe check identites again, and make sure there hasn't been some weird mix-up?

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

I'm checking into it and requesting the logs. Idon't want there to be problesm with either of you. Suis's a very very deep and tru bond to me and i'f never ever want anything said bad of him or have him brought into anything like this. The last thing I'd ever want is to have those I care for most hurt.

Again sorry for bringing the drama into yours and Ally's life. I'm working my way through this to get things on the mend.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

Damn no comment editing. Meant to say: Also, knowing Ally, she's not one to harass people via PMs either. She'll openly confront someone if she has a problem, not play silly games.

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

someone needs to tell LJ that they need to make comments editable. I know that my typos can be bad sometimes... and i'm usually too lazy to repost comments or correct spellings of things. editabel comment would make life so much easier... well commenting at least :p

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

I do not have a single (or remember a single) PM where you told me to leave you alone. I have never harassed you. I sent you stuff for the logo and I tweaked the pawprint graphics. These (http://fallenangel.furtopia.org/JUNK/neoforums.png) are the only PMs we've exchanged.

The people who have talked about me were likely from IRC. I have a general idea who they might be. But I have never said anything bad about you, OR Susi. And I don't want him involved either. The only reason he was mentioned is because you mentioned him.

Again, I can't recall ever lashing out at you or about you. I do my best to be civil when things get out of hand (yes, I'll admit I'm a bit childish posting this entry in my journal to begin with, but we all have our downfalls). I have no reason to drag your name through the mud or talk badly about you, you've done me no wrong and I just want this whole thing to be over and done with. I'd rather be on good terms with you than anything else, even if there's some reason we're not able to get along or even be friends.

I don't have this 'world view' that everyone must match up with. I'm a very easy to get along with sort of person. I have a great variety of friends from different walks of life and with different interests.

But I would REALLY like to know who's been putting words in my mouth.

Honestly, I don't talk about people unless they've started it first. You've said nothing about me, aside from what's been said in my original entry. And I really wish you would have brought that straight to me instead of posting it in your journal. I'm more than happy to talk out any drama and stuff 'face to face', much like we are now. I like drama as much as you do, probably, which is likely little to none.

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

When i see said person again i'll talk to him and get the logs. As I said I'd much rather be friends with you and get along with you than have had any of this come up at all. I hope in the future if we do wish to persue a friendship that this is something that we can look past.

Unfotunately I can't back myself up with the PMS as i clean my pms out, especially harassing ones so that they aren't there to remind me or give me a reason to stay anngry, I'd much rather forgive and forget and move on than hold a grudge against someone. Life's too short to hold grudges and be angry.

No, I don't like drama in the least, unless it brings a good 'lol' for me... which... there's very little drama that has. What has you'll see in the forums. and that's all of... one post? I'd rather get this settled and on the good running than to have it here and dredge up bad feelings and thoughts. I don't like being angry... no let me rephrase that. I *can't* be angry with people for long. It's just not me. I'd rather have friends than enemies. There's only one person that I still do not like to this day and that is because they threatened my child. that is probably the only thing that could make me hate someone.

Again many appologies and I'll talk to the mentioned person on this and get the log. It could very well be in the end he had you mixed up with someone else. I don't know. I'd really like that to be the case and just have us laugh all of this off and continue on our merry ways.

Also I made my entry friends only and will delete it as well if you'd like. I understand that we do all make mistakes from time to time. We're only human afterall and humans thrive off emotions. Most mistakes are made when one's running high with emotions. It's always been a downfall for the human race. Maybe we shoul all become Vulcans ;p

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

Yes, thank you. That'd be fantastic.

I wish I knew what was said in the PMs, because I know I haven't harassed you. And I keep all my PMs, and all we've spoken about was the logo and general stuff about the forums and adding new sections. So that REALLY confuses me. Are you sure it was my username (Ally) who sent them? I only go by Ally or ObliviousAlly for the most part. With the execption of maybe SparklyAlly or Ally the Sparkly some places. I'm not hard to miss.

I would much rather not hold a grunge against you. And I prefer not to be angry with people, because it just leads to more drama. And that's never fun. And yes, I'd love for this to be a case of mistaken identity.

I'm not going to ask you to delete your entries, they don't concern me all that much. I was just curious as to why you said the things you said, is all. It's your journal, after all, and you're welcome to post whatever you like it in.

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

ok, i'm trying to think on it hard. i may not have been you with the pm and another neofur that i was having problems with. I know it started with an A at least... the last weeks' just been a big blur of drama for me... I've been hoping it'd clear up and then this all started... but... mreh as said before mistakes happen, I'll do my best to sluth it all out and figure what was said.

I know the one thing that hurt me most was when i was pmed and told that my beliefs in past lives was 'childish and i needed a shrink' and that i was just another fur with no life that prayed to false gods. As much as it hurt it was the easier of things to push aside considering that i've had many others that have taungted me and bashed me for my spiritual beliefs. Again I may actually have missed the PMs up... like i said i delete things like that so i don't have them to fall back on. I doesn't hel my self esteeme problems to have negatives for me to look back on and jsut get me flustered and down again. Not something I need in the least.

Once again appologies all around. I'll get the logs ASAP. Said person's not around so i'll send them an e-mail and be off to catch up on some much needed sleep.

Again, appologies for bring drahma into this and letting it bloom into what it bloomed into. My hope though is that in the end some good will come out of this. As that's always what's better to look for in every situation.

I'll e-mail/pm you with the log when I get it. Untill then take care and I hope that next time we talk it's on better terms.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

Okay, I know for a -fact- Ally'd never say stuff about people's beliefs, as she's helped me when someone said crap about my own. Y'know, since I'm into reincarnation and such her making comments about it would be quite hypocritical to say the least. :P

I sincerely believe it's a case of mistaken identity and I do want it to get worked out. I don't like people having grudges against me unless I've actually earned 'em!

Let's hope this all gets settled so things can resume back to an imitation of normalicy. :P

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

"Let's hope this all gets settled so things can resume back to an imitation of normalicy. :P"

Normal? What's normal XP

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I definately didn't say anything like that. I know you're therian, right? I have a few other therian friends and I can't recall ever finding anything they believed to be childish. And I believe in past lives, as well, so saying that would just be HUGELY hypocritical. And, while I have been known to say hypocritical things before, they've never been anything that's offened anyone, or even been an attack at anyone.

I'm very happy things got cleared up and the drama has died down. It's much nicer to be civil with people instead of making a huge deal!

[tabenclearwater.livejournal.com]

Therian/otherkin depending on how you look at it, I have difficulty finding a differnce betwen them really. And I've been known to say hypocritical things as well... but... i'd never say anything to that extent.

And yes, civil talk is much better than drama. I'm glad we could get things cleared up.