Stuff and OH, #FURTOPIA...

[obliviousally_lj]

Reon> its fun and oppressive here in ohio
RedneckCoyote> enjoy the wide open life here in Texas
RedneckCoyote> especially driving
* FallenAngel is in Ohio.
Bomber> http://www.inboxdiscounts.com/location/boulder/coupon.php?id=silvermine
Bomber> scroll down and theres a menu for silvermine subs...
Bomber> the motherlode was soo good...
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RedneckCoyote> hey Woofgang
Reon> hiya woof
Woofgang> hiya redneck
Reon> ohio sucks, doesn't it?
Bomber> nah, ohio is cool
eLiXeRbOi> rawr my stupid ventrilo server crashed -.-
Bomber> nebraska and some of iowa sucks
eLiXeRbOi> oh and hai woofgang :D
Reon> umm, its not if you're gay like me
Woofgang> *sigh* yey i improved my sleep whit 30mins tonight...
FallenAngel> Eh, it could be worse. I've lived here 99% of my life.
Bomber> oh
FallenAngel> I've learned to deal with it. :3
Reon> me too
Bomber> nah im straight, but i was talking scenery wise...
Reon> just earlier
FallenAngel> Um, hi, I'm dating a girl.
Reon> i was having a normal conversation wtih a group of people
* RedneckCoyote plays Placebo - Slave to the Wage
FallenAngel> Just because you're gay doesn't mean the place sucks. D:
* Kowe plays Skid Row-Slave to the Grind
Reon> and some random dude just comes up and voices his negative opinion of homosexuals
FallenAngel> Um, people do that to everybody.
FallenAngel> To blacks, to goths, to furries, to gays.
FallenAngel> It's no unusual.
FallenAngel> no=not.
Reon> it was just soo different
Kowe> I never had that problem myself in Colorado
Woofgang> and 1 person in my fam know im i fur ^^
FallenAngel> Everyone I know knows I'm a fur.
Reon> he found the means to interject himself into the conversation and just rip on us
FallenAngel> Then he's just a jerk.
FallenAngel> Ignore him and carry on with your life.
Reon> i know that
Reon> which is sad, because i've already gotten over it--its just shock that he ACTUALLY did it
Reon> now i feel a little less safe on campus
Reon> >.>
Bomber> concealed carry?
FallenAngel> That's on every college. D:
FallenAngel> People are jerks everywhere.
Reon> i dont need to be told the obvious, i'm just complaining
FallenAngel> Find a pride group or something similar, if you're so concerned.
Reon> its like traffic
FallenAngel> Where are you at in Ohio, anyhow?
Reon> springfield
Woofgang> lol
Bomber> i drove through ohio twice on i-80...
FallenAngel> Ahhh.
* FallenAngel is near Cleveland.
Reon> pride groups dont really exist... our campus has a GSA, im the president... and we have nearly 90% straight members
Reon> there are noooo gays on campus
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Bomber> gsa?
Reon> gay straight alliance
eLiXeRbOi> gay-straight alliance i presume?
FallenAngel> There's ALWAYS gay kids at college.
Bomber> ok
Reon> it doesn't really work
Reon> not here
* Kowe murders peer
FallenAngel> And it shouldn't matter that they're all straight, as long as they're supportive.
Kowe> Bad peer!
Reon> it turns out, i'm the only 'known' gay from the class of 2009
Bomber> lololol
Bomber> @peer
Reon> straight people dont know what its like
eLiXeRbOi> eh?
Bomber> i can imagine...
FallenAngel> Don't know what what's like?
* Woofgang yawns and curls up in hes chair watching the rushing chat
Kowe> You'd be surprised Reon
Reon> just how men dont know what menstration feels like
Kowe> or pregnancy
Kowe> don't forget that one
Reon> yeah
FallenAngel> Yes, but they can still be sympathetic and supportive.
Kowe> That was my point.
Reon> they just wouldn't get it because they've never had the problem before
FallenAngel> Just because you don't know what it's like, doesn't mean you can't understand what's it's like.
FallenAngel> So you're saying all straight people shouldn't join gay rights groups then? Should they all just bash and go about their business? What about the ones with gay family members or best friends? Are they any less affected by it?
Kowe> They can understand it, just not realize that it goes so deep.
Reon> i never said that
FallenAngel> ....
FallenAngel> Okay, now we're just goin in circles with this. Ugh.
Reon> its just on the campus, we dont have supportive heterosexuals
Reon> we dont have anything for gay rights
Kowe> The feeling of wrongness because we're different from what's expected.
Reon> i was forced to move out of my room because my roommate had a problem with me
Reon> this happened 4 times
FallenAngel> I'm not straight, but I've never felt like it was wrong.
Kowe> No
Kowe> I meant that we're supposed to feel for being different
FallenAngel> I've never felt like I was some horrible freak because I didn't strictly like guys.
Reon> they eventually put me in a single
Kowe> that some of us do feel like.
Reon> now where was i
Kowe> Some days I wish I weren't bi.
FallenAngel> I've NEVER wished I was something else.
FallenAngel> EVER.
Reon> life would be soo much easier if i were a heterosexual
Kowe> I highly doubt that's true.
FallenAngel> Ever.
RedneckCoyote> not really
RedneckCoyote> I never fit in with anything
FallenAngel> I am comfortable with who I am.
RedneckCoyote> in my nature I just push everyone away at all costs
Kowe> You too, RC? LOL...
Bomber> i dont too often fit in with anything either.. im a slight bi curious but nothing too serious...
Reon> just to have the same rights as everyone else
RedneckCoyote> at one time I want to be alone
RedneckCoyote> just be alone and do not want anyone bother me
Reon> in ohio, we're 50 of 50 in the states for gay rights (california being #1)
RedneckCoyote> then I met her on the net
Reon> i could lose my job on the basis of being gay
Kowe> Now that's illegal
RedneckCoyote> so Ohio is a prison to you
Scooter> Hmm.
FallenAngel> That's actually called discrimination and you could take your job to court for that.
Reon> there is no state-wide law prohibiting discrimination based on sexuality
Kowe> But there IS a federal law
Kowe> which supersedes state law.
FallenAngel> It's gay rights, actually.
Reon> and if i wanted to take it to that level
Kowe> Thank you, FA.
Reon> would i really want to go back to that job?
FallenAngel> And there are groups to back that up.
Kowe> ACLU is one.
FallenAngel> Christ, if you're going to be gay or bi or whatever, at least know your rights and learn about them.
FallenAngel> D:
Kowe> roflmao
Kowe> I learned those the hard way, honestly.
FallenAngel> It's like not knowing your rights as a human being or a citizen.
Reon> whatever
FallenAngel> So you want to continue being discriminated against? Jesus, stand up for yourself.
FallenAngel> Honestly.
eLiXeRbOi> not one of those things you just want to "whatever" and keep it held
FallenAngel> Thank you.
Reon> its hard to stand up for yourself when there isn't anyone to back you up
Kari|Sleep> Some of the people we fight are the people we love though. Don't be hard on him.
Kowe> ACLU=lawyers
Kowe> They'll back you up.
eLiXeRbOi> mm whats aclu?
FallenAngel> I'm not being hard, I'm being honest. And sometimes the truth hurts.
Reon> >.> i'm talking about common things
RedneckCoyote> I never like ALCU
Kowe> american civil liberties union
RedneckCoyote> ACLU
eLiXeRbOi> ah
eLiXeRbOi> well reon, being gay gives a generally mean person one more thing to make fun of
eLiXeRbOi> just like racism, religious discrimination
eLiXeRbOi> and you should stand up for yourself
eLiXeRbOi> but i understand what you're coming from with no local backup
FallenAngel> No one ever got anywhere sitting around and complaining about things.
Reon> amongst the large groups of football player that regularly accost homosxuals?
Kowe> I like the ACLU, they helped me stand up for myself against discrimination in my HS
FallenAngel> Report it to the dean or the college.
FallenAngel> The can get kicked out for that.
Reon> they dont really do anything
eLiXeRbOi> Ah yea thats actually happened in my school
Reon> especially since i dont know their names
Woofgang> Yey i have computer class today :p
FallenAngel> Then go higher up, find their names. Just cause one group can't/won't do something, doesn't me another won't.
Kowe> Exactly...
FallenAngel> Tell the media. Colleges hate getting bad media.
Kowe> rofl
Kowe> so do high schools
FallenAngel> Seriously.
Reon> they didn't do anything last year when it happened
Kowe> That was last year.
FallenAngel> Then keep trying.
Kowe> Don't give up, just keep trying.
eLiXeRbOi> ^
Kowe> Change takes a while to take effect.
FallenAngel> I mean, look at how long the civil rights movement took.
FallenAngel> Gay rights is going to go nowhere if everyone who's discriminated against just sits back and takes it.
Reon> im not going to stand up for myself if it means putting myself in physical harm and verbal abuse for the next couple of years. If I just avoid it, it won't have to affect me
* Kowe has to agree with FallenAngel
eLiXeRbOi> alrite well as much as i would like to continue this, i've got school tomorrow
Kowe> It WILL affect you, Reon
Woofgang> wow i feel left out on this topic..
Kowe> whether you want it to or not...
eLiXeRbOi> night all, and gl Reon
Kowe> Night EL
Reon> night
FallenAngel> Then when other gays are beaten, when gays are treated like less than people, don't cry to anyone.
* eLiXeRbOi gives a security hug
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TheComet> hey
Kowe> hey
Kari|Sleep> you're telling Reon to stand up. TELLING him to stand up. Reon's aware of what should be done, but if he doesn't want to do it, that's his CHOICE. You want the change, you work for it as well in your own way.
Kowe> I'm standing up for myself
TheComet> Kari sounds like he needs to sleep :P
Kowe> I do it daily
Kari|Sleep> good for you Kowe
Kari|Sleep> you keep doing it.
Woofgang> Kari go to sleep :p
FallenAngel> Yes, but if he's not going to do anything about it, then he shouldn't complain.
Kowe> My point is though...if everyone feels like he does, then we're going to get nowhere.
FallenAngel> Exactly.
* TheComet just got done playing Oblivion on his shiny new XBox 360
Woofgang> O.o
Kari|Sleep> Well it's going to take a lot longer to fix Gay rights than it will sexism or racism.
TheComet> my god...I played for at least 8 hours straight
Reon> its kinda pointless--if we really want to get accepted in this country, we have to change the traditional Judeo-Christian morals in this country
Woofgang> Curse you comet
Kowe> Not really.
Reon> and that's not going to happen
Kowe> Some yes.
Kowe> But not all.
FallenAngel> Well, I'm not gonna roll over and be whipped like a beaten dog. I'm going to stand up for myself and at least say I tried.
FallenAngel> Trying's better than doing nothing at all. It's the attempt that matters.
Kowe> I at least want to be able to say that I did something...that I'm doing something for this..not just sit back and complain but be too afraid to do anything when it comes time to put my money where my mouth is.
TheComet> btw Kari: once bush is out of office, all I can say
Reon> the nearest GLBT headquarters or whatever is over an hour and a half away
FallenAngel> So?
Kowe> You could use a phone.
Kari|Sleep> Well it needs to be established that homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it unnatural. Once that's ESTABLISHED then it can began to be taught to public schools across the state, in which kids will learn to except it as natural.
Reon> its kinda hard to go when you dont have money or a car
FallenAngel> Email. Phones. Faxes.
* Kowe points to her suggestion

Comments

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

He likes to whine.

Reon> life would be soo much easier if i were a heterosexual

Not true. THERE ARE NO GIRLS, MAN. D: NO GIRLS!

[thewerekitty.livejournal.com]

I'm a girl. :p

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

THAT is extremely unusual. Sorry about the assumption.

Uhh...

Take the reigns of destiny! Ride on, for great justice! Be all that you can be! If you don't respond well to good advice, have some silly advice instead! :D

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

There are actually TONS of female furries. Go to a con. You'll be quite shocked.

No, as to wether or not they're straight, that's a completely different story...

[take-walker.livejournal.com]

I just meant in general. <.< They all have boyfriends, if they aren't lesbians. Srsly.

[mikaelgrizzly.livejournal.com]

That's one of the reasons I left. Useless, attention whore bitching.

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

It's disgusting, isn't it?

I think that's why I stay around. So I can bitch at people. And I'm able to do it in such a way that it's not construed as hateful or mean. Just honest.

[mikaelgrizzly.livejournal.com]

Everybody has a different fancy to tickle I see ;)

[zeeth_kyrah]

So gay.


And pathetic.